CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- It was just a little over two years ago when two-time series champion Tony Stewart accused NASCAR officials of "playing God" by manipulating races through phantom debris cautions.Upset because a series of caution flags contributed to him losing a race at Phoenix, Stewart likened the sport to professional wrestling in complaining that the bogus debris calls changed the outcome of races.
"I guess NASCAR thinks 'Hey, wrestling worked, and it was for the most part staged, so I guess it's going to work in racing, too,"' he fumed. "I don't know that they've run a fair race all year."
The issue has come roaring back behind Kasey Kahne's accusation that NASCAR threw a bogus caution Sunday to bunch up the field and avoid a boring runaway win by Jimmie Johnson at Auto Club Speedway.
Kahne was likely headed to a top-10 finish when he was wrecked on a restart with 12 laps to go. Kurt Busch started the accident when he bounced off the wall and into Kahne. The contact sent Kahne into Greg Biffle, and both cars spun through the grass with enough damage to ruin their race.
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But Kahne didn't blame Busch for the accident. His ire instead was directed at NASCAR, which had called a caution four laps earlier for debris on the track. At the time of the yellow flag, Johnson had an insurmountable lead over the rest of the field that could only be erased by a caution.
"We worked hard all day, got ourselves in a good position and I think it was going to be a good points day," Kahne said. "Then NASCAR threw a debris caution for no debris, which caused Kurt Busch to hit the wall, which caused me to go to the grass and Greg Biffle.
"It's disappointing that we had a bad race because of a caution to put a show on for the fans. That's a good part of the sport - we have to keep the fans excited - but sometimes it ruins people's days."
There's one small problem with Kahne's contention.
There was clearly debris on the track.
ESPN's cameras showed a decent sized black wad of something laying on the backstretch when the caution was displayed with 16 laps remaining. A safety vehicle was also shown pulling off the grass and onto the track to presumably recover the item.
Not that NASCAR was ever in doubt, though.
"There was debris on the track, it was talked about on the (NASCAR) radio, it was identified as something being there and the caution was thrown," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said Monday.
And if NASCAR had been wrong, and there was nothing on the track?
Oh well.
"NASCAR is always going to put the safety of the competitors first, and when it comes to identifying something on the track, we're always going to err on the side of caution," Poston said.
And that's what will forever keep this issue alive. Because sometimes there may not be debris on the track, competitors and fans will always form their own opinions on NASCAR's intent at the time of the caution.
In fact, there was a debris caution that went unproven shortly before Kahne's accusation. Johnson had his normal monstrous lead when the yellow came out with 65 laps left. This time, though, ESPN was in commercial. When the network came out of the break, the debris was not shown, the commentators did not reveal what was on the track surface and the issue was forgotten as soon as pit stops began.
So, for the sake of argument, let's just pretend we know it was a phantom caution call to "save the show."
It certainly added excitement to the event - Denny Hamlin wrecked as the leader on the restart to bring out another caution - and it prevented Johnson from winning by a half-lap or even more.
Plus, NASCAR used that opportunity to sweep the track, a cleanup that wouldn't have happened had there not been a caution.
So view it as a timeout, a break in the action that is the norm in every other sport and often comes at critical moments of an event. Same thing in NASCAR, when a debris caution can both help and harm a driver.
"It's frustrating when you're leading and pulling away and they say 'debris caution,"' third-place finisher Juan Pablo Montoya said after the race. "It could be simple, or it could be a screw. In Bristol, I had a flat tire from a
washer, you know, with 20 laps to go.
"What can you do? Nothing. It is what it is."
By JENNA FRYER, AP Sports Writer
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
10-13-2009 @ 2:22AM
Susan said...
A newswire wrote this? Who? The Nascar newswire.
"So view it as a timeout, a break in the action that is the norm in every other sport..."
Does baseball allow a losing team that is being blown out to almost catch up?or basketball? or football?... I don't think so.
If someone is running away with the race then so be it. Nascar needs to do something about the COT. The cars can't pass and it's boring. They need to run away from the cookie cutter tracks. They need to change the length of races. The season shouldn't be so long either. Basically, I want to see a race of reasonable length, on an exciting track with a car that can pass because I have College Football, Baseball Playoffs, Pro Football and Tiger Woods that I want to watch as well. Nascar is losing to the competition in my house.
Maybe Nascar would be better to have a shorter, stronger, and more competitive season.
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10-13-2009 @ 7:46AM
illsell4u said...
Consider the source Susan. As soon as I read that quote I scrolled to the top then scrolled to the bottom to see the hell wrote such an outrageous article. This is purely an article supporting the socialization of Nascar. When a driver gets too much of a lead, or becomes too successful, they tax the driver by throwing the caution giving the rest of the drivers their welfare checks and allowing them to catch up. The fact that some of the announcers have been able to predict almost exactly when a caution will fly has told me in several of the races this year that the excitement is being manufactured. It is more of the same manufactured excitement Nascar has given us with the chase. The current top two are still several hundred points behind Tony Stewart in total points for the year. But Nascar has decided that Nascar Welfare makes it more exciting to not count the first 26 races of the season.
Kasey Khane should have asked Dale Jr to back him on this issue and it would probably get more press. Jr had worked his way all the way up to 5th place in the last 1/4 of this race. These restarts worked him back to 11th before an accident ended his day as well as relegating him to another 25th place finish.
Nascar needs to wake up and realize they are destroying racing. Intelligent fans do not want to see manufactured excitement. What is the average IQ of a "rassling" fan? 78? 83 tops. Keep it up Nascar, you are almost down the mentality of choreograghed wrestling, good job.
mbl
10-13-2009 @ 4:10PM
illsell4u news said...
illsell4u is defenetely the new king of conspiracy.welcome.
10-13-2009 @ 5:13AM
xlr8tionjunkie said...
It does seem like they have too many "Debris" cautions and the commentators even seem to know the average lap of when a caution will occur.
They seem to want to pack up the field for Last Lap Mayhem.
NASCAR will NEVER allow you to see a Driver lap the entire field ever again.
If they get too many cars a lap down, the cautions just seem to Fly and the "Lucky Dogs" are back in the hunt.
That seemed to occur several times when JR was a lap down.
They should put a camera on the Safety truck that goes after the debris and a Helmet cam on the Official that picks up the debris so there is no question and show it to the world when they get it.
NASCAR's credibilty depends on it.
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10-13-2009 @ 9:32AM
racerboi1969 said...
gee, i wonder why it seems that way. 3400lbs. of junk rolling around the track. even if they don't get into an accident they are losing parts and pieces the entire length of the race. this series sucks a$$ and is as crooked as it ever was. the only thing nascar has done right in the last 20 years is to capitolize on indy cars' stupidity. it's all coming around though, i see miles of shiny alluminium in every race this year. i guess i'm not the only mutherfu@ker who is sick of their sh@t!!
10-13-2009 @ 5:23AM
Bob said...
NASCAR is fixed. Pure and Simple. Mark Martin will win the Championship...bank on it!
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10-13-2009 @ 11:02AM
Boowahbabe said...
I hope so. He deserves it big time. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Have a good day!
10-13-2009 @ 1:33PM
MARTIN LOSER KING said...
YEAH RIGHT! Keep dreaming about loser!.
10-13-2009 @ 5:25AM
Joey said...
It seem that the only races I can stand to watch, without falling asleep, are Talladega and Daytona. The other run of the mill tracks are pitiful. You have the first place car, then a few lappers, then second place, another lapper, etc. Man, that is BORING!
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10-13-2009 @ 6:18AM
PAT said...
I am sick of watching these races. They are boring. The COT is safe but can't pass and the debris cautions always seems to be planned. I get tired of watching and switch the channel. YAWN
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10-13-2009 @ 6:47AM
ed rockwell said...
I still enjoy watching the races,it's kind of funny watching little E run in the back while everyone else with hendrick motors run in front,And everybody thanks he's the best?put david ruitiman in that car and watch it run with the rest of em.
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10-13-2009 @ 6:52AM
obamaizamarxist said...
They have to throw bogus cautions, the only laps worth watching are the first 2 or 3 after the restart. The stands aren't half empty by accident.
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10-13-2009 @ 7:25AM
JOHN said...
NASCAR IS FIXED, THE FORDS WERE DOING FINE BEFORE GM CLAIMED BANKRUPTCY. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY CANT RUN IN THE TOP TEN. NASCAR IS TRYING TO SAVE GM ALL BY THEMSELVES.
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10-13-2009 @ 10:33AM
Brit said...
hit the nail on the head
10-13-2009 @ 7:28AM
JOHN said...
ALSO, EVERYONE IS TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT HENDRICK RACING, AND WHAT DO THEY DO, THEY PUT A SPECIAL ON ABOUT HIM.
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10-14-2009 @ 8:05AM
Kim said...
Not "everyone"! There are some of us who are Hendrick fans and like all his drivers. I am one of those fans and I found the special about him entertaining and informative. They did a huge special on Richard Petty Motorsports last year and I didn't hear anyone bitching about it. They also did a special a few years ago on the Earnhardt legacy. Hell, they even made a movie out of it. No one complained about it.
You "Hendrick haters" must get beaten in life a lot by all of those around you. You sure hate "winners!" So keep bitching and keep rooting for your loser favorite as it is clear you have a loser attitude!
Kim
10-13-2009 @ 7:49AM
macungiee8 said...
It got to the point with NASCAR and it's phony yellow flags, I quit watching. It's a fix always has been. GMC always got a better than even shake in NASCAR. It started when Dodge and Ford dominated, then they down sized. When the caution is out the field should be frozen and on restarts you line up the way your were prior to caution. And this crap about getting a lap back is a total joke !!! Have fun soon the stands will be empty......nobody wants to see races won at the service station.
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10-13-2009 @ 11:05AM
racings12a said...
I can see you know zilch about racing. When the caution os thrown the field is frozen and do line up for the restart where they were before the caution. Know what the heck you're talking about before wading in on a subject. And as far as the 48 being a miracle car, Johnson just knows how to pace himself to be there are the end and goes when he needs to go. Go back to your soccer or is it squash!
10-13-2009 @ 7:55AM
macungiee8 said...
Why do you think Honda is not into NASCAR, what happen to all the fast Toyota's? Phony NASCAR, really did you ever notice how No.48 seems to become a miracle car with about 40 laps to go, how many times have they been caught cheating? Abra Kadabraa, the magic wand and a boost of nitro surely helps.
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10-13-2009 @ 9:58AM
racerboi1969 said...
the same thing would happen to honda that happened to toyota. their engine plans would be "accidentally" released to the other teams and they would be penalized for making a better engine. nascar f@cked toyota and honda saw that. you know what's great about honda and toyota? they actually BELIEVE in competition.