Watkins Glen Could Boost Gordon, Stewart

I can see Stewart improving his lot, but I don't think Gordon has got the hang of driving the COT just yet. Then too, it seems that Jeff is third on the totem pole for the best equipment and personnel behind Jimmie and Jr. this season. In the majority of races this so far this year neither Tony nor Jeff have been major players, so I'd rate their chances in the chase as fair at best. In case you haven't noticed, we're in the early stages of the changing of the guard in nascar, with more and more new blood coming onto the scene. Methinks in conclusion that perhaps there is more glory behind Jeff and Tony than lies ahead. Works for me......

Reply

Don. I don't think thats the way HMS or any top teir team operates. I can't even imagine what equipment you may be talking about. What are you saying? There are not enough shocks and springs to go around? Thats about the only thing allowed thats adjustable anymore and I doubt very much anything like that is lacking at HMS. All engines are dynoed and all must fall within certain HP tolerances or they dont go into the cars. They have more engineers running arourd there than NASA so I doubt there is a personnel problem either. Who knows why Jeff is having a lack luster year. He's had them in the past. So has Stewart. Sometimes there is no obvious explaination. JMO

Ron

Reply

I had said earlier this year that I feel Jeff Gordon's best years are behind him too, Don. I would like to see him make it to 125 careeer wins, but I am not sure if he is going to do it. So on that issue we agree. But what have you seen that makes you think Tony is about to break out while Jeff Gordon is still behind on the learning curve? Is it the fact that Jeff is ranked 6th in points while Tony is ranked 9th. Or is it the fact that on the statistics page you can see that Jeff is ranked 4th over the past 6 races and Tony is ranked 5th? Keep in mind that stat actually includes Jeff getting spun out by Carl Edwards a few weeks ago and finishing 35th or so as a result. Were it not for that spin out Jeff would be ranked either 1 or 2 over the past 6 weeks.
So, since that 6 week stat is used as a good indicator of which direction a driver is headed, exactly where do you read into it that Jeff is behind on the learning curve while Tony is breaking away?
This next race is going to be fun to watch I think. Last year they ran the COT at the Glen and Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart pretty much dominated the race. Then again, I think Kyle Busch won a road course race in the Nationwide series earlier as well. Jimmie Johnson has come on very strong lately too, number 1 on that stats page for the last 6 races.
Yes sir, the rest of the season is going to be fun. Kyle Busch still has a very good lead in the chase with 40 points right now, but I would expect that to be as large as his lead is going to be. Considering the way, Jr, Carl, Jimmie, Jeff and Tony have all been catching up, I do not expect the chase to be a runaway.
MBL

Reply

GUYS GUYS GENTLEMANS ,PPPPLLLLLEEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSS give up on wasting your time on TST. JJ, JG, KB etc etc please go read my post in the bush file tonight or better yet go read JACK GROUCHES NEW ILLUSION ON AOL NAZCAR FRONT PAGE. His carlie hatewards gots the championship in his pocket already according to the GROUCHEY MAN. LOL,LOL.
What a dreamer the old grouch?

Reply

It's good to know we agree on at least one thing Mike. I too hope that Gordon ends up high on the win list. I'm not basing my feelings about Tony being ahead of Jeff on stats. It's just a feeling I have from watching them both drive the COT. Tony just seems more comfortable in it, while Jeff seems to still be struggling a bit. Then too, sometimes stats can be misleading too. Earlier in the season Tony was very involved in his plans for the future, and I can't help but feel it affected his driving somewhat. And Ron, there's no conspiracy or back stabbing in my comments about Gordon being a little on the back burner right now. Granted, that with a large operation like HMS, there is equipment and personnel to go around. But not all mechanics and engineers are the same, some are naturally better than others. As for equipment, it may all be just the same, but as a racer you should know that paying attention to the smallest detail in building a car pays off. I'm saying that perhaps more attention in preparation is going to Jimmie and Jr due to their income earning potential as of right now, and in the future. Gordon's career is winding down, while Jimmie and Jr's are on the rise. Where would you put the most time and effort if you were Hendricks. And Anna, Jack is a tough businessman who can be difficult to get along with. If it hadn't been for him, who knows if we'd still be racing Fords today. Ok so Jack is a grouch, Carl is hateful, and Fords are junk, but we still need all three in the sport. Cut them some slack why don't ya. Works for me.......

Reply

I RACED IN THE WINSTON WEST SERIES .AND DONT COUNT OUT JR,TONY JEFF.OR JOHNSON ..OR MARTIN THESE DRIVERS ARE VERY OUTSPOKEN THEY HAVE WHAT IT TAKES .HENDRICK IS NO DUMMBY HE KNOW HES HAS THE CREAM OF THE CROP AND TONY SOON TO HAVE HIS OWN TEAM .I FEEL THEY KEEP NASCAR IN CHECK ,YES THEY HAVE PISSED PEOPLE OFF WITH THERE OUT SPOKEN WORDS BUT THEY ARE RIGHT AND ARE NOT AFRAID TO TO SAY SO ITS LEADEARSHIP ON THE DRIVER SIDE AND YOU NEED TO SPEAK OUT TO KEEP THE SPORT ALIVE THEY ALL DESERVE CONGRATS AS THEY HAVE THE WISDOM TO SHARE TO THE NEW YOUNG BLOOD

Reply

LOL......All of you that posted above are 'way' out in left field regarding JG. Do 'any' of you remember LAST YEAR???!

REMEMBER WHEN ALL THE PRESS WAS TALKING ABOUT HMS AND JG AND JJ HAVING THE GOODS ON THE NEW COT AND THEY HAD EVERYTHING FIGURED OUT??? HMMMM??? DOES THIS BRING BACK YOUR MEMORY?? OF COURSE.....NOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE DRIVE BY MEDIA IS TALKING ABOUT HOW JG AND JJ ARE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE COT. WHAT A BUNCH OF B.S.! THERE IS A REASON FOR WHAT IS GOING ON "BUT".........I WILL NOT GO THERE AS NONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO REALIZE WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. I'LL GIVE YOU ALL A CLUE.................."NASCAR."

YOU FOOLS THINK THE JG'S BEST YEARS ARE BEHIND HIM??? LMAO.......>-).............."THINK AGAIN MY BRAINLESS SCREWBALLS!" MARK MY WORDS...........JG 'WILL' WIN HIS 5TH CHAMPIONSHIP..................AND IN THE 'NEAR' FUTURE! NOW.........GO AHEAD AND START UP WITH YOUR NEGATIVE BLOGGING AGAINST ME AS YOU ALL ARE VERY WELL KNOWN FOR......... >-) "BRING IT!!!"

Reply

Thanks for straightening me out there Don. You would think after spending almost my entire adult life involved in racing, in one form or another, I would have picked up on some of those details you so expertly pointed out. Go figure. I must be an idiot so I retract everything I said in post #2. Bullshit wins. By the way, I made no mention whatsoever about a "conspiracy" or "backstabbing" or did I imply it in any way. Maybe you have a comprehension problem or maybe I didn't make it simple enough for you to understand. Adios all!

Reply

DA,
Nobody said Jeff Gordon is washed up. The comment was that his best years are behind him. He is not the same as he was a few years ago. He may be at 95% or 90% of it but his best years are behind him. If you think that statement is incorrect you are saying that Jeff has another 81 wins left in him to run. I doubt it. Try to understand I have been a Jeff Gordon fan for 16 years. However, the truth is what the truth is. Do I think he will win a 5th championship, yes I do. Do I think he will win 4 more? No, I do not. By definition that means his best years are behind him. He is still better than 90% of the other drivers out there but he is no longer the man that won 40 races in 4 years. His best years are behind him. Did anyone say he is washed up? No. Did anyone say he is not going to win another championship? No. Did anyone say his career was over? No. Did anyone say he is nothing but a back marker these days? No.
A little comprehension in what people write would go a long ways. Of course there is always the possibilty that you feel Jeff does have another 81 wins and another 4 Cup titles left to give us. If that is the case, it would make me very happy. However, I seriously doubt it is going to happen.
Nobody needs to make negative comments about you to make you look bad, DA. You are doing a good enough job of it all by yourself. If you want to go on about how he still has it you could have added that he would have won two out of the last 4 titles but for the Chase format. That digs at me all the time but I have to deal with it. Hopefully Jeff will win another title in this new format that he would not have otherwise won. That is the only thing in my opinion that would help ease those stolen trophys.

Reply

...........ah Mike..........are you done patronizing me now?? Did that make you feel much better now?? You are putting words in my mouth that I NEVER said about anyone on this blog. READ MY COMMENT AGAIN MIKE! You.....a Gordon fan??? Yeah right! As my Rush Limbaugh friend of mine would say.........'something that would come out of obama's mouth......'the messiah.' (Mike 'my bell' Obama)

Reply

LMAO..........DA24 what a knucklehead, I'd rather be out in left field with a game being played that in the stadiums crapper cleaning up after a sold out crowd on 25 cent beer night! ! !

Do 'YOU' remember last year when it was widely publicized that HMS had done extensive testing on the COT and that other teams had not concentrated on it enough which put HMS ahead of the curve?........OOOOOPS......If you would have paid more attention to racing rather that drumming up votes for INGRID in the who has the best looking wife/girlfriend fiasco your nascar knowledge would play out better than the love life of an impotent sex offender ie. forcing your way in but not being able to satisfy anyone! ! !

Nobody is saying JG is done but only he's on the downhill side of his career. Just take a look at when drivers like Dale Sr., Richard petty, Allison, Pearson etc. etc won most of their races.....at the beginning, middle or end of their careers. Yes there is a reason for what is going on but it sure isn't the one you've stated, rather it is simply that the other teams have caught up with the testing they have done and are on an even playing field now and that certain drivers are better at handling the COT and it's driving characteristics.........Your reason is showing that you have the mental capacity of someone trying to get to Heaven when your headed in the wrong direction! ! !

What an Idiot! ! ! Speaking of Brainless that 6 inch space between your ears must be the resting place for all the rubber that came off of the Indy tires! ! ! Any knowledgeable hardcore JG fan would be crowing that he has already won his 5th title via the rules used to give him 4 (which I agree with). Now go ahead and bring some more of you moronic ramblings as you drive by on your tricycle which you are known for.

Aloha, Brad

P.S. I notice you haven't been around for awhile,,,,,what? Is Ingrid running for the best looking wife/girlfriend of current Nascar drivers with 4 or more championships..........LMAO must be taking up alot of your time with sizing up the cometition! ! !.....I'll bet your busy with that one......ooops forgot who I was DEALING WITH ! ! ! LMAO

Reply

P.S.
Mike 'my bell' Obama,
Never said JG was going to win 81 races and 4 more championships...........goof......sorry.......'liberal!'

Reply

*applauds* yipppeeee Brad..........What a goof and fool.....not to mention 'another liberal! JG isn't done yet......screwball! You know where you can take your comment.........

Reply

da24jg A little high strung there aint ya boy? Mom must have forgot to give you your ritalin this morning. LOL

Reply

Good one Dirt Rhodes........

It seems DA-limpy-24 wants to talk politics now......... but he probably knows as much about that as he does Nascar.............ZERO

Reply

This is what happens when you respond to an idiot. I know where I went wrong on this one but why do I fall for it every single time? I was just thinking to myself "what an idiot" when I glanced up and saw that Brad beat me to the punch on that comment.
I now know how the decent Dale Earnhardt Jr fans feel about the beer chuckers at Talledega. Please go find another driver to pull for. And while you are changing teams, get the hell out of the Republican Party too. You are making us look bad. Just because someone does not agree with you, it does not make them a Liberal. It makes them Intelligent!!
MBL

Reply

Loved it Mike,

But getting someone to 'COMPREHEND' something when they are chewing on all the words you put in their mouth is going to take awhile, but then if chewing on air is DA'S idea of a meal then by all means BON APETITE.

Aloha, Brad

P.S. A little hint DA, no words were put in your mouth, just your limited imagination seeing something that isn't there! ! !

Reply

Thanks Mike,

Those IDIOTS throwing beer cans wearing Jr. shirts aren't fans.........just IDIOTS

Reply

DIDN'T I SAY JUST LAST WEEK THAT THE DU DU 24 AND TGIF were in love with INGRID?
Caution guys i think the guy is having another love spasm or maybe he is joinining the other drive buy (ya all know who) in the other file. DA DA 24, bashing aside, even my poor english can comprehand that no poster is saying what you claim they said. JEFF GORDON has been on a downtrend and even the blinds can see it. NOBODY SAYING HE IS DONE AND OVER WITH. About rush limbaugh, do you mean the poster or the radio talk show host because if you are talking the show host
i listened to his BULL SHIET BRAIN WASHING OF AMERICA FOR YEARS AND SO I USED TO LISTENTO SEAN INSANITY
CRAP.THIS is a strait firmly conservative more extreme than
michael savage taliking now and not a LIBERAL!. The conservative days are gone long ago;WAKE UP! JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE SO CALLED CONSERVATIVE CONGRESS HAs done for your nation in the last 15 years until they got booted out 2 years ago. NOTHING 0 NADA. THEY DONE PLENTY FOR THEMSELVES NOT THE COUNTRY and BUSH although i fully agree 100% with his wars and i believe IRAN SHALL also be invaded soon by us and ISRAEL ,because with
their quest to nuclear weapons it's like give a real gun in the hands of a psychopat or your children.
Anyway i lately wonder if the OIL FREAKS POCKETIERS REGIME OF BUSH, CHEENEY,RICE etc etc if their just wars
aren't also a convenient proper excuse to enrich their pockets even more and so the entire bush family old man include.
What have they done domestically for our country? ah?
gasoline $4 /gal. inflation upwards, stock market down since 2000, unemployment up and so on. THINK ABOUT IT OR INVESTIGATE ABOUT.

Reply

p.s.dadada24 ,i can assure you that MIKE has been a JEFF GORDON FREAK for years . I shall know about cause there has been tons of discussions in the past about his JG DRIVER
and my TONY STEWART DRIVER . I am also a fan of JG but he never was on my #1 list. ENQUIRE about the GODS OF NASCAR AND THE ALLAH OF NASCAR on these pages last year and 2 years ago and you will see. I was only having fun with him and other posters. Geez, mu satan driver is in thesame shoes as JEFF this year . NO WINS and even him is
NOT DONE YET although it's going to take a couple of seasons to get the HAAS teams in shape. Works for me.

Reply