Busch Overtakes Johnson for Chicago Double

Congrats to Kyle Busch for an exciting finish to the first night race at Chicagoland. Steve Adington and the entire pit crew deserve the credit for this one. For those of you who have said that Kyle Busch shows no respect to veteran drivers, what can be more respectful than to say "race over" when JJ passed him, ater the race Kyle said " I've seen Jimmy do it to others before slow down then get a good start on them" but Kyle turn the tables on him and beat Jimmy at his own game. You could see it in Jimmy and Kevins eyes during post race interviews they had the best angle at what Kyle had just pulled off with a little pit strategy and luck he was there so put the finishing touches on # 7. At the begining of the season I knew this big mouth kid was going to be something special, Nascar history is about to be rewritten by Kyle Busch hop on for the ride.

I'm so damn happy for Joe Gibb, Kyle Busch, Steve Adington for hanging in there during all his losing seasons, that's good charma Steve it's payback time. The broom sticks are out and sweeping NASCAR KYLE BUSCH style.... Kim, good luck to Tony in his new era of owner/driver he's up against some long odds. Owner/drivers are 27 for the last 1027 races but if anybody can turn that around it's Tony Stewart. That being said, you really should listen to your son on who to follow, Kyle Busch will someday.... LOL be a good roll model. Na, all joking aside he's going to be ok for the kids when he learns to keep his cool in front of the cameras.

GO KYLE BUSCH!

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Just another example of the extra horsepower that the Toyotas have been given by NASCAR.

38 races so far this season in NNS and NSCS and Toyotas have won MORE than 1/2 now (Thats 20 out of 38 races).

When are you people gonna wake up and admit that the Toyotas have an UNFAIR advantage over Dodge, Chevy, and Ford.

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Dont like him, but cant help but respect him. Dude just keeps winning.....

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TOSOR, you may finally have some sort of support for your argument. If you will read this article
http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/bg/07/12/nationwide.engine.rule.change/index.html
This is the first actual verifiable source I have read stating that Toyota has a significant HP advantage. This is for the Nationwide series engines but I think I have read that Toyota runs the same engine package in both series, whatever that means. It states that while the peak HP difference is 20 HP, the average running HP may actually be even higher.
I would love to see the same verifiable information on the Sprint Cup car engines. While the wins are spread all across the JGR team in Nationwide, it is ONLY Kyle Busch in Sprint Cup.
This still brings up what I had stated before. Toyota has only been in Nascar two years. How is it that they can build engines with more HP than the American big three? If you are going to complain that Toyota has an unfair HP advantage you had better not be one of those people that cries for the days of racing a car on Sunday that you can buy on Monday. Back then Nascar did not regulate the size of the Johnson you brought with you like they do today.
mbl

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Thanks for the heads up, Mike. I missed that article.

I just want to make sure I'm understood. Kyle Busch is not one of my favorite drivers, I would not by one of his t-shirts when I'm at the track. However, I do think he is a very talented driver. When you combine his talents with the extra 21+ horsepower that NASCAR allows for the Toyota engines, you have a domination that can't be stopped.

To me, this is an unfair advantage. NASCAR jumps on the soap box to declare that everything will be fair and even on the track.Then they go and allow the Toyota engine builders more leeway when building their engines.

Here are some more examples:

1. Parts stolen from one team by another...NASCAR did NOTHING.
2. Phantom debris cautions late in the race to tighten up the field.
3. COT...Touted by NASCAR as safer, equal, and better cost effective. These reasons were nothing more than a cover up to give some teams (HMS -see next paragraph) an advantage. If NASCAR's reasons were to hold any shred of truth, then the NNS series would also have COT's. Don't they deserve the "Safer, cheaper" car?

HMS, JGR, DEI, etc advantage with COT in 2007...Did you even begin to wonder why all these teams knew that they needed to stockpile Goodyear Eagle Racing Tires? Or the fact that even though NASCAR said "no testing", most teams knew they could test on unsanctioned tracks. Hence, the need for all extra tires that these teams bought before NASCAR dis-allowed buying racing tires direct from Goodyear.

Look, the obvious explanation is that NASCAR is a business. The main objective of any business is to make money. NASCAR will do what ever it wants, as long as it adds to their bottom line.

It's time for everyone to let NASCAR know that fans will not tolerate this by NASCAR. Even if you are one of the lucky ones that like a driver or team that is currently one of the "NASCAR Pets", you should still speak up. You never know, your driver or team may be on the other side of the favoritism sometime down the road.

OK...I'm done now. I'll shut up about all this for a while (the crowd goes Yeeaaaahhh!). Take care, everyone and enjoy the races!!!

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If all that is being said here is true. Lets talk about it again next year when this so called advantage will be corrected. Kyle Busch is going to win in anything. If his talent was not on display for everyone to see last night on that last lap then we will wait and see next year. 25 HP advantage, I doubt it.

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Well Bernie, I did not make up the article. It is there at Nascar.com. As I said, it is in relationship to Nationwide car engines. It does not refer to Sprint Cup. And for once, they have posted ACTUAL numbers. It is strange in my opinion that Nascar waits until half to the season is over to look into it but that is Nascar. If there is a similar advantage in Sprint cup it would explain alot but what it does not explain is why are none of the other Toyota drivers besides KB doing any better than they did last year. IE if Tony Stewart and Denny Hamlin are driving cars that have 20+ HP more than the Chevy they drove last year, why are they still sitting 10th and 12th in points? Nascar will probably wait until this season is over to put up the numbers for Sprint cup. If the numbers are in line with what has been disclosed in Nationwide Series, people will have to decide for themselves if Nascar met their own goal of parity in the sport.
MBL

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It's funny how nobody ever mentioned hp advantage at HMS last year 07,when jimmy and jeff were winning all the races.
Geez, i guess it was OK for the chevy's to take advantage of the extra hp nascar favors to chevrolet but, it's wrong (assuming the teory is true) to favor TOYOTA. I see ,toyota follows in to the other side of reason and JUSTICE category because they can build better cars than DETROIT AND CHEVY CHASE MY and that's wrong and antiamerican to some
caratures.
WOW popster HART, YOUR ANTI japs CAMPAIN is getting momentum while the toyota/honda/nissan keep getting high sales on the USA automobile market.
works for the japs......

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Yes, I agree. After Tony and Denny what other Toyota is better? Maybe a Micheal Waltrip car now and then, I don't think so. It's all Kyle Busch. I can't buy that advantage theory.

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Anna, did they post the HP numbers last year for Sprint Cup? If there was a Chevy advantage that is verifiable I will certainly admit it. But the numbers that have been posted were Ford 611, Chevy 612, Dodge 628, Toyota 632. That was ONE test and 4 engines. I believe the article said they are now testing ten more engines. Again, this was NATIONWIDE.
I completely agree with you on the issue that this shows the superiority of the Japanese engine builders. But since Nascar has done all that they have in making the cars all aerodynamically indenticle, it is somewhat of a surprise they have not monitored the engines more closely.
In the last couple restarts Saturday there were two instances that may well have shown an advantage in HP. When KB was in front he instantly left the pack. When JJ was in front KB rear ended him three or four times before pulling to the OUTSIDE of all places and passing him while accelerating. I would LOVE to see the dyno test on those two engines.
MBL

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Anna, did they post the HP numbers last year for Sprint Cup? If there was a Chevy advantage that is verifiable I will certainly admit it. But the numbers that have been posted were Ford 611, Chevy 612, Dodge 628, Toyota 632. That was ONE test and 4 engines. I believe the article said they are now testing ten more engines. Again, this was NATIONWIDE.
I completely agree with you on the issue that this shows the superiority of the Japanese engine builders. But since Nascar has done all that they have in making the cars all aerodynamically indenticle, it is somewhat of a surprise they have not monitored the engines more closely.
In the last couple restarts Saturday there were two instances that may well have shown an advantage in HP. When KB was in front he instantly left the pack. When JJ was in front KB rear ended him three or four times before pulling to the OUTSIDE of all places and passing him while accelerating. I would LOVE to see the dyno test on those two engines.
MBL

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yes toyota has a big hp advantage . brian frances reply but it was a really big check.

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TOSOR, yes your right the NWS does deserve the safer cars but at who's expense. There are some owners that cannot afford to build the new cars in that series. Someone has to pay the bill for the cars. Dale junior with his $$$ said he would rather just put his cars in the cup series if he were forced to bulid the new cars for the NWS. Things are not as easy as you make them sound.

Mike, your right KB did spring passed JJ but it was because he juked Jimmy into that, Jimmy spun his tires a bit when Kyle bumped him and that's why Kyle was able to pull away as it appeared.

Kyle bumped him a few times and when jimmy looked in his rear view mirror Kyle was by him. That's not HP that's the old okee doke move Jimmy bought that's why he apoligized to his team. He knew he let Kyle put a move on him that he has put on others to beat them. It's all left out on the track not one driver said anything about a HP and how it affected the out come of the race.

Art, Nascar gives all the race teams specifications on which to build the cup and NW cars if a team figures out how to get the most out of the specs given to them it doesn't mean an advantage it means they have better results than team A or B if the engines are within the specs then Toyota is doing a better job at getting the best out of the specification Nascar has put in their hands.

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I have to agree, Mike. I too would love to see the dyno tests on the number 18 & number 48 cars. We all know what a huge fan of Jimmie Johnson I am. I have to say though, that I too watched the restarts very closely. No other car was able to do what Busch's did to Jimmie on that last restart. How in the heck did he get so far up his butt?

Well, I know a few things....First, Jimmie is amazing. If most drivers had had someone ramming them in the ass the way Kyle was doing to Jimmie, they would have wrecked. Jimmie didn't. That's talent. Second, what a class act Jimmie is! When they interviewed him afterwards, he said he had no one to blame but himself, felt badly for his team, and thanked them for all they do. Again, class act! And finally, he even congratulated little Kyle. I was impressed as always. :-)

Next week will hopefully be Jimmie's week.

Kim

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Hi Kim,

Jimmy is a great driver, not taking anything away from Jimmy but he knows how he lost that race. He was played on the restart. Jeff Gordon and Jimmy have done the same thing the difference is with the COT you can bump without spinning the car you bump out, with the old car Jimmy would have spun out unless he corrected the fish tail affect cars have when the rear is lifted. You cannot lift the rear of the COT when bumped.

I think Kyle knew it and used it to his advantage to cause the 48 tires to spin or distraction and that's what happened. Kevin Harvick had the best view of what happened, he looked just as shocked too. Come on Kim, the advantage thing is going on because a few weeks ago we were talking about the 18's 4th win and now we're talking about the 18's 7th win. This wasn't an issue when the Toyotas were in the hands of Micheal Waltrip and his cars or when Jimmy was winning at Kyle's pace. Que sera, sera, we'll have to wait and see. Hope the HP item is resolved soon, can't wait to hear what the next theory behind Kyle's victories will be... : )

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Hi Kim,

Jimmy is a great driver, not taking anything away from Jimmy but he
knows how he lost that race. He was played on the restart. Jeff
Gordon and Jimmy have done the same thing the difference is with the
COT you can bump without spinning the car you bump out, with the old
car Jimmy would have spun out unless he corrected the fish tail
affect cars have when the rear is lifted. You cannot lift the rear of
the COT when bumped.

I think Kyle knew it and used it to his advantage to cause the 48
tires to spin or distraction and that's what happened. Kevin Harvick
had the best view of what happened, he looked just as shocked too.
Come on Kim, the advantage thing is going on because a few weeks ago
we were talking about the 18's 4th win and now we're talking about
the 18's 7th win. This wasn't an issue when the Toyotas were in the
hands of Micheal Waltrip and his cars or when Jimmy was winning at
Kyle's pace. Que sera, sera, we'll have to wait and see. Hope the HP
item is resolved soon, can't wait to hear what the next theory behind
Kyle's victories will be... : )

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Woops having AOhell problems..

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Just in.....Nascar admits giving Toyota all the horsepower they want. It was first a mystery why Nascar would do this, but it was discovered that it was Nascar's intention to alienate all the regular fans in hopes of running them off to make room for all the new Toyota fans. Toyota fans have more money than the present fans and we all know that's what Nascar's about. In all probability Nascar regular fans will abandon Nascar and move to open wheel racing. It's also expected that Toyota will buy out Ford, GM and Chrysler to further its takeover. Toyota gave a brief ststement... "Hey folks it's economics, thats all".

Dale Jr has been offered 100,000,000,000.00 to drive a Toyota. Jr was overheard later on saying that he "wouldn't drive one of those damn things off a cliff." Dirt Rhodes

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Art, TOSOR, and our resident conspiracy expert Don have said numeroius times this year that "Toyota has an unfair HP advantage." What I and many others have said in response to that is "show us the proof." The question of whether or not Toyota does have more HP now seems to be answered, at least in the Nationwide series. I see no reason for the Sprint Cup results to be any different.
But there now remain two good arguements, one on each side of the issue.
1. Why is it unfair? Sorry Toyota steps in and built a better mouse trap but the big three have been doing it the same way for years and it appears the Japanese looked at things a little differently and came out with better results.
AND
2. Nascar is striving for parity among all the cars. The only thing that makes these cars any different in body style now are the graphics that get applied. The engines should be as closely matched as the bodies are.
It is a good argument on each side in my opinion. Considering the way Nascar has been working for equality in all the cars I would expect that they will step in and do something here much like they used to do when the cars body styles were all actually different. Some teams had to do this, some teams had to do that.
Thanks for showing the Americans you can do it better, Toyota.
But now we have to dumb your engines down to the lowest common denominator, Ford in this case. Much like public education these days. Toyota gets no kudos for doing it better, they get a repremand for showing up the other teams.
The Toyota bashers have already been up in arms about how KB has been winning races with more HP than the rest of the field. Now that there is proof, I would expect that complaint to grow louder and louder.
The question, is Nascar going to do anything about it before the Chase or are they going to let things ride out the rest of this season and make the change in the off season if at all?
MBL

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Rusty said he receives a piece of paper every week that tells him that the Toyota has a 22 hp advantage. He said that is why he has gone to Nascar and many other owners have gone to Nascar to try and level the playing field. One owner and one driver said that a monkey could drive the car and they'd still win.

I hope that Nascar does look at the Sprint cars. It isn't that I dislike Kyle either. Hasn't Kyle won 7 out of 8 Toyota Sprint car wins?

When I think that I know who the winner will be and the COT racing is boring then my enthusiasm drop significantly. My love of Nascar is rapidly declining.

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