NASCAR Was Wrong Sunday at Kansas

Seems Geoffrey has his nads in a knot.

Refer to the following quote..."I've sided with NASCAR for a long time on their arbitrary calls on penalties, infractions, and other stock car predicaments."

Naturally, those who are not Roush fans would say NASCAR has "finally" crossed the line. Well, I say NASCAR crossed the line years ago!!

Hhhmmm...It's nice to see NASCAR's "arbitrary calls" go the way of Roush Fenway racing for once. Maybe this was payback for penalizing Carl E. for being an 1/8" to low, especially when everyone knows the rule was written for plate tracks and not short tracks.

Congratulations to Greg Biffle and Roush Fenway for winning 2 in a row!!

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How about Tony Stewart getting away with anything he feels like doing. He can wreck another car with intent in front of everyone and you do not hear a word from no one.Nascar is going down the tubes.They make up a new rule almost every week,when will they get the hint that they are loosing their fans over these things......

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Hey Geoffery, go read rule book, make sure you understand it, then tell me what jimmie Johnson, Bowyer, did wrong, to the back of pack boys; field was frozen you passed each other then the leader, race finished under caution period. God you cry babies get on my nerves and Iam not even a Biffle fan.

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Geoffery, here's quarter and a towel. Jeffie, Jimmie and Bowyer are just of vultures trying to cheat (again) for a cheap win they didn't deserve anyway. Care about something that matters. By the way I had friend named Jimmie in the 3rd grade but he grew up and became Jim.

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nascar wouldn t dare mess with jack roush, they penalize jr. 100 points for putting the wrong bolt on the wing which in no way helps the car, then only penalize edwards 25 points for something that in no way helps the car, roush gets his way most of the time so there is no discussion here.

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NASCAR is the New WWF - They couldn't wait 5 more minutes to finish 3 lousy laps? Then, once the race was called, the ABC announcers did a total 180 and started saying "well folks, the TV makes it look lighter then it really is out here" .. Come on .. All we need now is "Mean Gene" Okerlund and Jesse the Body and this sport will be complete!

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Hey, lay off of Mr. Miller, please! His articles are always well written & he always has his facts straight!

I agree with you, Mr. Miller. What happened to a green white checker finish? It was clear Biffle ran out of gas. What were the others, Boyer, Johnson, & Gordon supposed to think when he (Biffle) dropped down to the apron and clearly allowed the pace car to pass him because he ran out of gas? The field might have been frozen, but the rule book that you above me are so nastily saying Mr. Miller doesn't check (which I assure you, he does) says that the cars must maintain speed with the pace car. Biffle did not do that, so he should not have been the winner. On the last lap before the caution came out, it was clear Biffle was losing steam as Johnson was actually the one who ran the fastest lap right before the caution came out. The rule book also states that a green white checker will be attempted to give the fans what they paid for....a real finish, not some dumb yellow flag, following behind the pace car finish. Biffle didn't even make it across the finish line. Did you all not hear the fans booing at the finish of the race? I mean these people paid a lot of money to see a real chase race that was a crock! Biffle isn't in the chase, Boyer, Johnson, & Gordon are. They should have been given the chance to try to place better one more lap of green flag racing.

I am with Mr. Miller, Boyer & Johnson on this one. That race was the worst Nascar race I have ever seen. There were flagrant infractions by other drivers during the race, namely Tony Stewart, which apparently went unnoticed, (why was he not black flagged when it was clear he had a tire going down, which would cause a wreck) not to mention again the lack of a real green white checker finish. Nascar is the one that needs to go back and check their rule book, not Mr. Miller!

Kim

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I agree with Mr. Miller and Kim. I for one would like to know how Tony Stewart gets by with all the rule infractions he has every week. Yes, Tony Stewart should have been black flagged. Mr. Miller checks his facts and writes "great" articles every week.

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I agree whole-heartedly with this complete article. I truely love this sport, moreso than any other including football, but it just makes me sick to my stomach when i think of the injustice that happened on Sunday and how Nascar claimed that it was not trying to cheat the fans with the extensive drying of the track only to have the crap end like that. And it's nothing against Greg Biffle, but had he had a flat tire, would they have said the same? He says he had plenty of gas and that he would prove them wrong by goin and doin a burnout, but i never saw one and never heard of one being done either. The only reason i didnt want Biffle to win is so he'd leave Roush for a team that'll give him what it takes to show his true potential, something Roush has no interest in doing. I think it would have been better off if they had just called the race when it was over halfway and the rains came. The situation was much worse than it was at Pocono, yet they didnt hesitate to call that race so damn quick. All i know is i think there has to be some type of better way to do things. Although it's a lil different, in the NFL in a game, a coach has the opportunity to question a call by using a challenge, yet there is nothing to do in this sport. I think a easy solution for this would be if you had a minimum of three crew chiefs that wanted to team up and call a, let's just say "Nascar challenge, which you'd get in this situation with Bowyer's, Johnson's and Gordon's, and they take the crew chiefs to show them the car and that there was gas in it, it would drop the whole mess, but Nascar thinks their word should be good enough. It may work for some idiots, but it doesnt work for me.

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NASCAR is now a joke. I'm losing interest even though my favorite driver is in the top two cars in the Chase. France, Hilton and others at the top are whimps.

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On Claire B's XM show yesterday afternoon, she read the rule regarding the speed. It actually says that the car must maintain a "reasonable" speed. It does not actually say that the car must keep up with the pace car. This basically means, right, wrong, or indifferent, that it was at NASCAR's discretion to determine whether or not Greg kept a "reasonable" speed.

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I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree for a few reasons.

1. Unless you have a copy of the rule book (which, from what I understand, even the media can't get hold of), the wording of the rule is up for debate.

2. If NASCAR truly went by past history (from this year alone), Tony Stewart would have run the race because NASCAR usually doesn't restart a red flagged race if they can't finish teh entire thing. (We all know the only reason they restarted it was because it's a Chase race.)

3. The competitors in question who were happy to argue that Biffle didn't win? Had points to gain in the Chase and would have lost even more points if the race had ended at the red flag. Notice which scenario they were arguing for.

The race was already out of the ordinary. NASCAR had already broken all their own rules. Saying Bowyer won over Biffle is pretty much a moot point because the whole thing was already suspect.

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This could have been far, far different...they could have realized that the rain couldn't be dried away to allow any more than a few laps WHILE IT WAS STILL RAINING, and given the win to Tony.

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Right or wrong Nascar gave the race to Biffle when they threw the yellow and even announced it as such. I can guarantee one thing. Posters who agree with Geoffery would have a different opinion if it was their driver in Biffle's place. Right Kim?

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hey Big AL as far as gordon being a cry baby about this he said he didn t want bowyer to win because it would help bowyer in the points, but gordon said clealy biffle ran out of gas and could not maintain pace car speed. No matter who your favorite driver is at some point nascar has screwed them over by changing the rules whenever
they want.

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I think this race just highlights the fact that in order for NASCAR to continue its growth and compete with those stick and ball sports they must have an detailed rule book which can be viewed by the fans and the media. They can no longer have sweeping rules like "actions detrimental to nascar." They must have rules that have a corresponding fine/points reduction/suspension. You cannot constantly deduct points at will or decide races on whim. Whether Biffle won or not, you have to have concrete rationale to defend your actions. NASCAR does not have that.

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I don't have a problem with Nascar eschewing a GWC in favor of safety. It kind of amazes me that Kansas Speedway is a cookie-cutter track with no lights, but that's for another discussion.

Point is, Nascar penalized Robby Gordon in August at Montreal for 'failure to maintain a cautious speed' after he got spun out by Marcos Ambrose. Sunday, their interpretation of that rule changes to 'well, the field's automatically frozen when the yellow comes out.'

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Grapevine - there's one significant difference between Robby and Biffle, though. In RObby's case, he was part of a wreck and stopped. Biffle wasn't part of the caution and never stopped.

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i am the man thats nascars theme dont like it go elsewhere. bruton smith has enough race tracks to start a good series. do it bruton

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As I did not get the benefit of seeing exactly what happened, and as Nascar does not see fit to allow ANYONE except themselves to see the rule book, it is hard for me to comment on what happened and the ruling. I do agree with Kate in what she says. If Nascar wants to be considered a "real sport" they need to publish rules that all the "athletes", the media, and the fans can hold up to the light of day, and give the sniff test to so we can see if those rules are being applied equally. Even soccer and ice hockey have rules, nobody knows what they are but they do have them.
Everybody rags on the COT as being all identicle. Well boo hoo to that. All ball sports play with the same ball. The difference is the player and the coach, not the ball. Nascar should be no different if you are going to call it a sport. In my opinion, as it is now, since the cars are different it is the cars that are the athletes.
I once raced motocross for one year before I learned I was NOT nearly good enough. While it is FAR FAR more physically demanding than NASCAR I did not consider myself an athlete.

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